Like, there’s been several instances of them outwardly admitting that their security sucks, not to use it for encrypted chats, that they just give logs away to world governments, and yet thousands of crypto bros and bots use telegram to function, EVEN ZLIBRARY, who could just as easily set up and use Matrix, has a Telegram bot for downloading books.
Their bot api is very easy to use. I have made some telegram bots because is so easy. Tried to do the same with WhatsApp and didn’t even get permission and api access.
Average Joes use mainstream things, if you want to do something accessible, these bots are the way. Ideally, you want them to download or use an app that does some hand holding. I’m all up to the fediverse but let’s be honest, it has some non intuitive things for today’s user, most were trained to understand and like centralized services. They vaguely understand and use emails today, and mostly for account creation of other platforms.
Disclaimer: haven’t tried to make signal bots, they are a thing?
No disrespect towards you or your response (which is a good response, btw) – but the Bot API being good means absolutely nothing when the core app is garbage. By “garbage”, I mean that it ignores basic best-practices (like not E2EE everything, which they claimed wasn’t possible with device sync – but look at FB Messenger, Signal, Whatsapp, etc all able to do it).
Nobody is allowed to ask me why that matters. Because the answer is $300 Million.
It matters because when you try to build something new, you choose the path of least resistance. I’m not justifying it, I’m explaining it. Also, guess who doesn’t gives shit about E2EE? Average Joes.
I agree with you, but still your idea of garbage is not shared by the general population. Remember that telegram got traction because it falsely claimed that it was secure, or at least more secure than WhatsApp.
Telegram ASTOUNDS me.
Like, there’s been several instances of them outwardly admitting that their security sucks, not to use it for encrypted chats, that they just give logs away to world governments, and yet thousands of crypto bros and bots use telegram to function, EVEN ZLIBRARY, who could just as easily set up and use Matrix, has a Telegram bot for downloading books.
Their bot api is very easy to use. I have made some telegram bots because is so easy. Tried to do the same with WhatsApp and didn’t even get permission and api access.
Average Joes use mainstream things, if you want to do something accessible, these bots are the way. Ideally, you want them to download or use an app that does some hand holding. I’m all up to the fediverse but let’s be honest, it has some non intuitive things for today’s user, most were trained to understand and like centralized services. They vaguely understand and use emails today, and mostly for account creation of other platforms.
Disclaimer: haven’t tried to make signal bots, they are a thing?
No disrespect towards you or your response (which is a good response, btw) – but the Bot API being good means absolutely nothing when the core app is garbage. By “garbage”, I mean that it ignores basic best-practices (like not E2EE everything, which they claimed wasn’t possible with device sync – but look at FB Messenger, Signal, Whatsapp, etc all able to do it).
Nobody is allowed to ask me why that matters. Because the answer is $300 Million.
It matters because when you try to build something new, you choose the path of least resistance. I’m not justifying it, I’m explaining it. Also, guess who doesn’t gives shit about E2EE? Average Joes.
I agree with you, but still your idea of garbage is not shared by the general population. Remember that telegram got traction because it falsely claimed that it was secure, or at least more secure than WhatsApp.