• ristoril_zip@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1·
    11 minutes ago

    now telegram is going to insert random information about South African White genocide to every conversation. or it will be in every recommended reply at least.

    • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zipEnglish
      7·
      6 hours ago

      I don’t know why people stuck with it. I’ve used it; I get that a lot of the initial success/hype was:

      • It’s not owned by Meta
      • “Putin hates Durov!”
      • “Unlimited” storage (lots of people using it as free cloud storage, which is dumb if you value your files)

      But your messages are not E2EE by default (only “Secret Chats”, which aren’t synced across devices)…Telegram (the organization) could always read your messages. I said this so many times and got called everything under the sun.

      “Why would they care about my messages though?” ------> Because $300 Million.

    • Blemgo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      10 hours ago

      Honestly, Telegramm always seemed to me a bit shifty since I learnt E2EE for chats was opt-in.

      • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4·
        6 hours ago

        Been saying this for years. Then they introduced Premium to “help fund things” (but they’re also taking $300 MILLION from Elon, and giving them access to user data.

        So will basic features stop being paywalled now? Or are people going to have to keep paying to stop random people from messaging them?

  • whereisk@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    11 hours ago

    Wondering how long has this been cooking? A year or so ago musk started attacking signal for no discernible reason and recommending telegram instead.

  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pubEnglish
    52·
    15 hours ago

    Telegram ASTOUNDS me.

    Like, there’s been several instances of them outwardly admitting that their security sucks, not to use it for encrypted chats, that they just give logs away to world governments, and yet thousands of crypto bros and bots use telegram to function, EVEN ZLIBRARY, who could just as easily set up and use Matrix, has a Telegram bot for downloading books.

    • josefo@leminal.spaceEnglish
      1·
      9 hours ago

      Their bot api is very easy to use. I have made some telegram bots because is so easy. Tried to do the same with WhatsApp and didn’t even get permission and api access.

      Average Joes use mainstream things, if you want to do something accessible, these bots are the way. Ideally, you want them to download or use an app that does some hand holding. I’m all up to the fediverse but let’s be honest, it has some non intuitive things for today’s user, most were trained to understand and like centralized services. They vaguely understand and use emails today, and mostly for account creation of other platforms.

      Disclaimer: haven’t tried to make signal bots, they are a thing?

      • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        6 hours ago

        No disrespect towards you or your response (which is a good response, btw) – but the Bot API being good means absolutely nothing when the core app is garbage. By “garbage”, I mean that it ignores basic best-practices (like not E2EE everything, which they claimed wasn’t possible with device sync – but look at FB Messenger, Signal, Whatsapp, etc all able to do it).

        Nobody is allowed to ask me why that matters. Because the answer is $300 Million.

        • josefo@leminal.spaceEnglish
          1·
          3 hours ago

          It matters because when you try to build something new, you choose the path of least resistance. I’m not justifying it, I’m explaining it. Also, guess who doesn’t gives shit about E2EE? Average Joes.

          I agree with you, but still your idea of garbage is not shared by the general population. Remember that telegram got traction because it falsely claimed that it was secure, or at least more secure than WhatsApp.

  • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
    44·
    19 hours ago

    So, a software that is owned by US politician is working together with software that has links to Russian government?

    • KumaSudosa@feddit.dkEnglish
      131·
      15 hours ago

      You misunderstand. Elon is retired from US politics now, obviously, and will return to being a force of good!

      • andros_rex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        35 minutes ago

        Hasn’t Elon said that he’s “retiring” like every month 47 has been in office?

        Just bullshit to try to appease Tesla investors.

      • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        10 hours ago

        Network effect. It’s been hard enough to get friends and family to move away from Whatsapp, it’s going to be a while till I get them away from telegram as well

    • blady_blah@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 hours ago

      This is the real take away from all this. xAI is trying hard to keep up with the big-boys and has to pay a shit ton of money just to be in the game. xAI’s revenue will be in the deep red for a long time at this rate.

    • mcv@lemm.eeEnglish
      9·
      16 hours ago

      Or is xAI paying for access to Telegram conversations to train Grok?

    • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      125·
      3 hours ago

      Your secret chats are already being read. Hell, secret chats are probably the first to be read.

      A secret chat is only for local privacy, meaning if someone got access to your device they can’t find them, nor will you get notifications (in case your partner is watching your screen).

      Back when we just had SMS and MMS, they had secret chats, too. They were blatantly marketed as tools to cheat on your partner. GO SMS was one of the first to use them. Its not so blatant anymore, but its still the primary use for “secret” chats.

      I remember reading an article that someone figured out everyone’s GO SMS images (even secret ones) were uploaded online without any security whatsoever. You could put in the url and some random numbers and get any pictures and voice clips ever sent. And they never fixed it even after it was leaked.

      So yeah, not so secret. You want secure.

      Edit: Context: Sorry, my ADHD gets the better of me. I mean that there’s more likely than not a government backdoor. Other users are unlikely reading your messages, but your messages are more than likely being scanned. Just be careful if you use TG.

        • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          6 hours ago

          Ah no, I mean the government backdoor. Last we knew, Telegram was threatened, then it suddenly quiet and Premium launches. Fishy. So potentially the federal government has access.

          Sorry, I’m bad at providing context. When it comes to another user accessing your messages, you should be right. However, when it comes to the US and Russian governments, its probably getting read already. And we all know what ties and connections Elon has there. So Grok can probably read them.

    • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      17 hours ago

      AI companies paying or straight up buying other businesses to spread their disease has become their go-to strategy as of late.

    • jnod4@lemmy.caEnglish
      24·
      1 day ago

      Having xAI accessing a billion of users conversations? They are going to have the most “educated” LLM. Also isn’t xAI getting subsidies from the government? Literalły workers of America are paying to spy, again

      • LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        9·
        14 hours ago

        The funny thing is, half of Telegram is drugs, conspiracy nuts and really weird humour. The ai is going to be great, I can already see it.