systemd cat and GNU cat hugging a Linux cat.
What’s SystemD and what is it bad?
This:
IDK why it’s bad, though. My only complaint is that it can take a long time to boot depending on your system, but I don’t think a SystemD issue.
Alpine. No GNU and systemD.
In terms of desktop operating systems, my first choices are usually Chimera Linux or FreeBSD.
MacOS.
But my actually favourite OS does use systemd.
Windows 11, but only for personal reasons. Mainly because it is the only OS that has proper HDR support. The moment Linux catches up (that includes either Nvidia or a 3rd party implementing RTX HDR support as well), I will stop dial dual-booting and go all in on Arch.
I typically don’t use things without systemd
If anything OpenWRT
Why should I not use systemd?
Contrarianism
Perfectly legitimate reason to do/ not do anything
/s
I disagree.
When you want to feel special but not enough to go to the effort of using FreeBSD
IPv6?
I already am special enough, my mom said so
Nobody wants to be like those “special needs” users.
Offended.
because the over 70 different binaries of systemd are “not modular” because they are designed to work together. What makes a monolith is, apparently, the name of the overarching project, not it being a single binary (which again, it’s not)
If I cared about modularity I’d use something like Hurd, but i actually need to get shit done
What makes it a monolith is that the 70 binaries refuse to do their one job (see: Unix philosophy) independently.
A few months ago, a systemd update broke my boot process because I dared set up my device-mapper nodes manually in a minimal initrd without having a second copy of systemd in there as well. The device is there, yet systemd times out “waiting for device”. How come then a manual mount -a in the rescue shell works then?
If course, the bug had already been reported and swiftly rejected by L. “Hurr durr bother your distributor not me” Pottering.
When you’re not using your computer
What a wild concept
If you have to ask, then there’s no reason not to. It’s people who tinker with their systems that encounter issues with it, or more often random annoyances that add up over tme to those memes.
Void, because it works really well on my super low-resource chromebook!
any advice for trying void? Ive heard good things but never really gave it a chance.
The gui installer was roughly about as simple as any other distro I’ve tried, and stuff generally seemed to work out of the box. There are more packages than one might expect from such a small distro too. Not sure I have any advice specific to Void really, although getting a custom bootloader onto a Chromebook was certainly a trip lol
I love cheap Chromebooks for this!! Getting custom bootloader onto them is kinda fun for me atp because I’ve done so many.
The handbook is outstanding. Read as much of it as you can. Even if you’re not a Void user, you’ll learn so much!
As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd? I use Mint and I don’t remember having to interact with that kind of low-level nonsense. The distro maintainers can use whatever reasoning they want to pick these details.
Tribalism exists in every circle, perhaps moreso in tech circles. Ironically anyone who hates on a distro could just switch, or build their own distro if they were so inclined, but it’s often the hating that people participate more in than using their system. Use what works for you, and if it no longer works for you use something else.
If you are just a user, in that a computer is just a tool you use, then you’re right, there’s comparatively little reason to be concerened or even know about the underlying details of the system. If you go further and start making changes to your system, or even building more complex systems, over time you will find yourself forming quite firm opinions about various parts of the underlying system, especially if you’ve had experience with other options.
As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd?
Um, because as a user you may have to deal with services, or other systemd features?
Let’s say you want to start
ssh-agentwhen you login to your desktop environment. Well, there’s a systemd service for that that you can enable, and on another distro you’d have to do it another way (autostart script or something).
So the old init.d system was better? Come on people, let’s stop infighting. I have zero preference on init systems. You know why? Because they’re just plumbing. Stop this nonsense. Do I click on an init system? Do I use the init system to check my email? Or play games? No. I know poettering can be controversial, but let’s just move on. Run freebsd if you’re so butt hurt.
Yeah, on a desktop I don’t really mind whatever*. On a server however, I think systemd is great and I wouldn’t want to miss it anymore.
* except Debian’s frankenstein systemd + sysvinit combination. Burn it
So much more than an init system though, which I think is why people don’t like it. Personally, the only annoyance I have is I preferred log files over journald.
Its becoming an behemoth and has security disadvantages in theory
It is much more secure since it supports proper sandboxing and least privilege
Curiously, the cream of the crop in terms of security-focused Linux (i.e. Kicksecure and secureblue) leverage systemd to their benefit.
So the old init.d system was better?
because those are our only two options…
I hate this argument so much, because it’s just a fallacy.
There are (and have been) more solid init systems.
“systemd is the worst implementation of init, except all those other inits that have been tried from time to time” -Churchill, if he had been a nerd
Probably Artix, because it’s like Arch, and I use Arch btw
There is an openrc package in aur, so perhaps arch can use non-systemd init as well.
Would probably be a hell to actually implement, as everything is made for systemd (as in, all packages rely on systemd for being run)
Arch can absolutely use other init systems though it is officially unsupported
Scans room
Windows 11.
Chaotic neutral
Init is just that bad. /s
The tasteful thickness of it
An hour in and no mention of Slackware yet?
No, but I use Arch btw.
or Artix btw, if we’re in the non-Systemd world
+1 for slackware. rock solid distro.
Thanks for making me not the first person to mention slackware for once. I don’t have any beef with systemd. It’s just foreign to me. I installed slackware some time in the late 90s and found my life’s calling.
