I hear genes couldn’t have changed as fast as shortsightedness has risen. I’ve heard bright light like from the sun helps certain systems shape the eyes and as we’ve rapidly become indoor folks myopia has risen.

I’d say if anything the AI only suffers during trainig, as I’m pretty sure that’s what pain is for: learning what not to do.

For sure! Incase ya didn’t look too close its a meta study from 2000 and mostly self report data. The study admits it would’ve been impossible to control for culture.

Given that the data is over a quarter century old or older and culturally influenced there’s for sure some wiggle room with how much it applies today.

Hey, I’m sorry I didn’t do this earlier. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1207/S15327957PSPR0503_5

I’m convinced. A quick google and a bit of a read and I feel I have a grounded take. Men desire sex more frequently and likely more intensely in western countries.

I thought this was going to be about “the fuck”

Your faith in business is strange to me. Sorry you couldn’t convince me. Some things I can be convinced of, but I have a higher bar for my evidence. I’ll stick with a confident “I don’t know who’s hornier.”

You can have any bar for your evidence ya want. I just think ya look a little silly being so convinced lol.

See ya around.

For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don’t even want sexual materials in which case, even if it’s cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.

This is an extremely uninspired list. Let me help.

1. Women could be put off from watching porn when first introduced due the male centered industry and generally less acceptance of their sexual expression leading to longer term differences in how they get their fix.
2. The smut industry while not as lucrative could produce more sexual stimulation per dollar. I know there is a lot of pirating in the smut community. And books take a while to get through.
3. Porn sites may not capture gender from their user base perfectly.
4. Again, there are a lot of ways to get off for free. Any women could get on a dating app and get their fix in half a day.
5. Women centered porn sites may not make as much per view.

I could keep going, but its becoming more work. My point is that there is way too much wiggle room in the money argument. You just can’t account for how our culture affects their expression unless you’ve studied it.

Economics is much better for studying how money moves. Idk why we would use it to try and generalize the experiences of a group. It is exceptionally indirect and biased. It is a silly thing to use as a foundation for that kind of belief.

Edit: removed snarky comment, I was feeling a bit hot

Edit: just stumbled on this video, but its whole point is about how the different genders interact with sex differently: https://youtu.be/Qfpj5qQr9KA

I agree that it can look like that at a glance, but why would we expect spending to reflect horniness when sexual expression is less accepted for women in many rich countries? Can you say to what degree that affects it? They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?

I admit, that if you look at the economic you presented, men spend more on sexual stuff. That is a fine conclusion. But it says very little to me about who is more horny.

Homie idk how many times I gotta say it. I’m agnostic to who’s more horny. I get why I seem stubborn.

You can believe what you want. Your evidence is too indirect to convince me.

I really think we’re arguing slightly different things though. Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests? Therefore has a very very large cultural bias. Not abstact, real cultures are different. Lots of people are unaccounted in your metric, and lots of peope are extremely over counted.

I can be convinced, you just haven’t done it. I am not confident the data is out there. Spending definitely has too many flaws to be a good indicator.

What would prove it to me? Good question it’d have to be grounded. I don’t like to claim I know things I can’t know. Who’s hornier is just such a tough question. Everyone experiences hornyness in different ways and we can’t really order them or make equivalences easily.

Basically there’d have to be a good definition of “this action equals this much hornyness” and I haven’t seen anything presented that can measure that in a satisfactory way.

I mean I could draw a hot picture for myself for free and that wouldn’t be counted in the frame “horniness is measured in money”. I really am not convinced by the money stats. Sex is often free.

I really don’t think we have the tools to answer this question. At least I haven’t seen them.

Edit: spelling

What if women’s sexuality is felt differently, and porn isn’t a perfect fit?

Here is how you sound: Do you know much about smut novels? Women must be much more horny given that they buy way more of those than guys do. No reason guys would buy less other than being less horny.

I get a little lost in the sauce when I get typing. I stand by most of what I said, but maybe some isn’t pertinent.

Let me try and be super clear. In my sample women are more horny than men. In yours it is the other way.

Giving examples of men being outwardly sexual doesn’t prove that they feel it more. Just because more businesses cater to men doesn’t mean they feel it more. You are giving very surface level and indirect proof and calling it evidence.

I’m not working in abstract land, just not your land I guess.

Edit: I checked, the argument is about your evidence being mid. That’s been my position from the start. I don’t even agree that men and women are equally horny, but I don’t think you disproved it with strip clubs.

Ya missed my point a bit. Maybe I wasn’t so clear. I’m not saying strip clubs prove women are more horny. I’m saying it is reaonsable to assume asymertic distribution of gender roles in strip clubs is influenced by our current culture more than biology. Given no actual evidence it is reasonable to see it either way.

Saying “Just look!” is as good as “Common sense”. Its extremely culturally embeded and not necessarily reflective of any underlying truth.

I’m saying you didn’t prove anything to me. I’m not saying whether anything is true or untrue at a global level.

Woman may be more or less horny than men. In my sample they are more horny. Maybe I’m just getting older.

I don’t think the status quo is good evidence. We do studies because we know how messy life is. You could just as easily be proving my point as you think you’re proving yours.

Why do strip clubs exist? Idk, but it could be because men are more comfortable being sexual. As there is less shame in going to a strip club than working for one.

Women are very capable of being horny for horny’s sake.

Women generally have to be much more selective for safety. The stats on sexual assault in US would astound anyone. Given how likely it is for a girl to be SA’d, or know someone who has, its no wonder they don’t openly express desire as much. Guys don’t have to worry about what happens if they change their mind at any poiny. At least not even close to the same degree.

pretty much all men non-asexuals want sex

FTFY

I’m a bit of an anarchist so I disagree on principal lol, but I do agree that that would help Linux usurp windows.

My fear is that it would just then become windows within a decade or less. Getting big and institutional may work out. I’ve just seen a lot of cases go sour.

To me the beauty of Linux is that it is less connected to large impersonal capitalistic structures. That’s why it feels different from Windows.

I agree Ubuntu is the easy choice. You can totally find a desktop you don’t have to baby sit, but Ubuntu has the marketing to help you find them and feel safe.

I’ve had no issues with fedora, I’ve been running it for about a year.

We aren’t there, but imagine a world where ideas aren’t owned. Where you aren’t hurt by someone else using your work. Where we all benefit from innovation and reuse.

If ya do it right, you can’t distinguish the signal from the noise. Encryption makes data look random. So if you send dummy random data then it just looks like constant random data. No signal is distinguishable.