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The cars have a factory installed SIM-card that allows remote control AND remote access to the integrated phone system (without giving any notion that somebody is listening in on you in your car).

everybody also “knows” that the Facebook app listens to you

https://www.estiponagroup.com/blog/shhhhhh-facebook-actually-listening-surveillance-marketing-explained

As for China - THIS the bog-standard procedure for any tech-related company when an employee has to travel to China. Give them a burner phone and laptop, zero company data on them, zero access to critical company data, after they return, just throw the gear away.

I honestly don’t now what other proof would you need, when we know them spying on regular people has been happening for decades.

New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data

There’s a difference between what telemetry a German car gathers, and what a Chinese car gathers. And where is it sent.

The data from EU companies is anonymised and private. The data from Chinese companies is always available to their government.

I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It’s terrible. But I’m pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history

Ah, I guess it’s fine then. Since throughout history more people died because of capitalist policies, then we can support China with a clear conscience!

I do 100% agree with this, though:

Ignorance is bliss I guess?

The evidence is in the fact that it’s a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).

Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data

Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state…

I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America

Ignorance at it’s best. You’d rather support the state that is committing literal genocide than capitalism.

Sure, capitalism is cancer and sucks, but I don’t think it’s worse than genocide, mate.

Lemmy is weird. As long as you’re on the dogpile against the current “big bad” of the week, you’re good to go. Fuck Tesla? Then let’s buy Chinese products.

It’s insane, but it’s where we are.

It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.

Let’s not forget that they are actively committing genocide against the Uighur. I don’t think they are the “lesser evil”.

an obscure clause in TOS won’t be a small print of an evil villain speech exposing their plot in clear wording. what it would be is something worded vaguely enough to make things seem like the end user technically agreed to what was being done

That means nothing. Illegal terms can’t be enforced in contracts or terms of service.

it’s always going to be a technicality that in case of a lawsuit would be a valid defence in the eyes of law

No. Written law always takes precedence. If they spied on your data stored in OneDrive, they’d lose by default the moment the case hit the courthouse.

As for your second paragraph: yeah, I agree. If they did that, the damage would’ve already been done. But it would kill the business once found out. The benefit is not worth the risk.

For example: you’re saying that they would use it to train AI, right?

They don’t train AI. They get a trained model from OpenAI.

There are only two possibilities here: either they were trying to access these files offline on a different device, or they had their storage completely full.

In the latter case OneDrive will kick out the oldest files to Online Only, so that you still have space to save newer stuff locally.

Oh, I guess there’s a third option - they were using some obscure third party cloud storage. Something that’s not Filen, OneDrive or DropBox.

You’re right, my bad for misunderstanding.

Well, “save” and “autosave” are two very different features.

Autosave, yes, that’s a OneDrive specific feature.

Which also has nothing to do with what the article is about - they’re talking about Cloud locations of the user’s choosing, which means it will try to default to things like DropBox or Filen just as much as OneDrive.

I think I accidentally posted that on the wrong comment. My bad.

they’re probably already doing that to a smaller degree, and slightly protecting themselves with an obscure clause in their TOS

As soon as you find proof, you have literally free money up for the taking at any court.

you only lose lawsuits if you get caught - and churning things through AI is a great way to erase any fingerprints that identifies stolen data

That’s… not how any of this works…

Right? People have such immensely weird notions about Office, Microsoft and telemetry, as if they stopped using computers in the 90s and then just read some rage-bait headlines for the last 35 years.

WTF are you talking about, mate?

I’m using Office daily at work. I save data locally non-stop.

I swear to God, this community should be renamed from “Technology” to “Technologically Illiterate”…

“Access” as in: have anything to do with them? Then why tf are you using Word on Windows?

“Access” as in: be able to read them? That would be super illegal for them to do and the easiest class action lawsuit win in history. EU fines would eat them alive.

I have never seen a setup where that’s not the case.

I’ve yet to see a cloud storage solution that doesn’t have offline-storage.

Like… WTF is going on? This is the Technology community, and yet you people come here and comment like you’ve only dealt with computers in the 90s…

The file is saved locally, then - as soon as there’s a network connection - gets uploaded to the Cloud and remains in both locations. You can access it from both “ends” - if you edit it in the Cloud or on a different device, the changes get sync’d down, etc.

Cloud storage has nothing to do with anything/anyone reading the contents of your files.

It’s absolutely mind boggling to me how many completely ignorant people are on the Technology community here.

Just imagining the fines from the “won by default” lawsuits that MS would suffer at the hands of their EU users makes this whole notion hilarious!

What an ignorant thing to say…

That’s not how cloud save works!

The files are saved to local storage that then gets sync’d up to the Cloud. The files are available both on- and offline.

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