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themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 days ago

Linus Torvalds used AI to fix a Linux bug, and now LLM critics on Linux face an uncomfortable choice

www.xda-developers.com

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Linus Torvalds used AI to fix a Linux bug, and now LLM critics on Linux face an uncomfortable choice

www.xda-developers.com

themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 days ago
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Avoiding software without AI code is getting very difficult.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2026/08/msg00041.html

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    You assume humans don’t ever write sloppy code and Linux Torvalds has never before encountered someone wanting to merge in sloppy code before. If in decades he hasn’t gotten comfy with sloppy code written by humans, why would he suddenly be merging in sloppy code written by an AI? He’s never been worried about hurting the feelings of a human that’s writing sloppy, do you suppose he’s going to develop empathy for an LLM that’s writing sloppy code?

    The people that go all in on vibe coding are people that aren’t very good programmers to begin with. They don’t really understand how to write code and then suddenly they can make things work quickly. Well sort of work. At least work about as well as they could with their limited skills.

    People that are actually good at programming know what good code is. After decades of working with code and knowing what it’s supposed to be, you don’t suddenly become a vibe coder saying eh, it kind of works, good enough, ship it. Its the people that were never able to write high quality code to begin with that do that. It can do the job of a lazy programmer that has a low standard of quality. For a skilled developer, it can sometimes save on typing on some simple tasks, and a good developer knows when it did something wrong and be all Thanos and say “fine, I’ll do it myself”.

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      You assume humans don’t ever write sloppy code and Linux Torvalds has never before encountered someone wanting to merge in sloppy code before.

      damn dude, did you completely fail reading and comprehension? because you’re replying to a link to me pointing that exact fuckin thing out.

      maybe slow down and try harder.

      like, it’s in the link title text, right there.

      People that are actually good at programming know what good code is.

      as long as they stay proficient. but prolonged exposure to AI slop tends to have a damaging effect - https://thenewstack.io/karpathy-says-developers-have-ai-psychosis-everyone-else-is-next/

      so I stick with my premise: how long before it has an effect on him?

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      Yep, and even more important are the cases where coding models are used outside of actually producing code. Unit tests, red teaming, bug hunting and so on are all areas where LLMs can reduce the load on an experienced coder, allowing him to concentrate on the meaty stuff. Blindly being against the technology itself because big tech currently consists of a bunch of asshats is not a mature stance.

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        Blindly being against the technology itself because big tech currently consists of a bunch of asshats is not a mature stance.

        yeah it’s not gonna lead to any problems lol. meanwhile reality is disagreeing. I get it, you’re a slopfan, so this pointless you’re not going to listen / try to understand, but for the rest of the audience, here’s some other views:

        https://thenewstack.io/karpathy-says-developers-have-ai-psychosis-everyone-else-is-next/

        https://aiforautomation.io/news/2026-05-17-ai-psychosis-hacker-news-1979-developers-vote

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/202507/the-emerging-problem-of-ai-psychosis

        https://therenegadecoder.com/blog/why-generative-ai-makes-the-future-of-software-development-worse/

        https://www.slashgear.com/1970560/ai-coding-problems-security-risks/

        https://andrewjcode.substack.com/p/ai-is-writing-terrible-code

        https://letsdatascience.com/blog/developers-thought-ai-made-them-faster-the-data-said-otherwise

        https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/proof-ai-making-developers-worse-came-from-anthropic-itself-oatley-0kjje/

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