Management are assholes and idiots.
Nothing will get better without demands. People need to organize.
But if I’ve learned anything from history, it’s that the ownership class would rather murder all of their employees than give a few dollars more a day.
It’s because the few more dollars per day empowers people not to have to deal with exploitative practices, to be able to save an emergency fund, to be able to look elsewhere for opportunities.
They had literal segments on Fox where they were complaining that companies couldn’t strong arm people anymore because COVID turned the balance in labor value. Uber is known to give desperation compensation much lower then drivers who are more selective. Data is used to min-max labor exploitation.
Hybrid mode do me well.
Allows to have the advantages that on site have ( real contact with the collegues ) while allowing to take a breath from transportation.
Capitalism as we know it, isn’t about effectiveness nor efficiency, it is primarily about power. So long as this remains the case, workers will continue to be abused for the amusement of the higher ups.
If they would get rid of these terrible open plan offices, where people can hear the silent fart you try to squeeze out gently, and go back to offices where you at least would have a smidgen of privacy, this would improve office attendance.
While some part of me misses my fortress cubicle and undershelf lamp, complete with pillar obstructing the window so I had just two vertical slits…
I still only did good work there when I was alone in the office, usually before or after most people’s office hours.
Once enough people showed up it just became a daily social event ritual. This was well before covid.
Worked from home for 8 years, and routinely finished projects ahead of schedule which left me with a ton of time to work on furthering my education, personal projects, home maintenance and hobbies. Work life balance!
Been working an in-person role for 2 years now, have zero time during the day to do anything else, couldn’t do most of those things at the office anyway, and I make no additional money. These last two years have felt like my life has largely been on hold.
I have an unusual situation - immaterial commute, flexible hours - and enjoy working in the office more than working from home. Have done both and working from home is a drag.
Doesn’t mean I’d force others to come in! But the only thing worse than a meeting is a teams meeting, and there is a lot of value for me getting that space back in my house, and in the incidental learning I both receive and provide to others when we are in person. Also it’s entirely possible I’m too introverted to happily work from home.
So as long as work provides a common space to work I am happier here. I do think the environment benefits from fewer commuters but I don’t drive to work because it’s so close.
The real problem is usually not the office itself, but the journey there and back.
Yeah I am very,very sensitive to commute time, and recognize my situation is uncommon (arranged on purpose though - I won’t take a job far or more than one city bus away) I wonder how the answers would change if the office was in the same building as your apartment, or within a mile as mine is. I really don’t want any part of my home life to be my employment.
I couldn’t agree more: if the commute took less than 20 minutes (on foot or by bike), remote working would probably be rated less favourably.
Companies with remote work will harvest all the talents from RTO ones, so a difference in productivity and costs (rent) will do the rest.
RTO will fail
Rto does a great job of scaring off talent that has options.
You get to keep all the losers who can’t get a better job. You also get to waste a ton of money on rent and office space.
My company went rto. Then they closed a downtown office and forced everyone out to their exurban campus an hour from the city.
Anyone with an ounce of talent left. My remaining team is mostly duds. I need to gtfo, but the money is good–which means they are paying (me at least) a high premium.
Rto is fucking moronic.
Surprise surprise
To the surprise of no one.
I just changed careers from 100% remote for the last 6yrs, to 100% on-site, and it’s bittersweet. I’m really going to miss the freedom.
After more than 20 years of working remotely, I can’t imagine working on-site at all anymore. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you!
As someone that is bring changed from fully remote to hybrid in the next few weeks, I am already sad.
It’s difficult to work remotely in a factory, in a field, collecting trash, in a kitchen, in a hospital, putting out fires, … maybe that’s why.
dealing with micromanagers, toxic workplaces, commute, rude customers for certain jobs.
For me it seems true. Most of the jobs are straight stressful unnecessary bullshit in your face. Like a cocaine addict, fryed brain, retarded millionaire fucks up everything. Then you handle the customer complaints and die worn out after only some years. Even there is case and purpose as the original aims were noble and good.
Doing some social service, you already did that with your idiotic parents, adorable kids. Beautiful wife and the dog and the cat and the hamster. Sucking your blood dry like a bad vampire.
People celebrating the opposite of it should try this instead of being virgin lesbians in commie flat. Also I am happy they are happy. But often hearing like zombie like entity on this night train, is like a baseline. I am glad they can make a minimum wage and could choose me as the third one for a lesbian climate collapse mourning threesome.
Turns out the commute, fluorescent lighting, constant interruptions and performative desk sitting weren’t secretly essential ingredients for human happiness after all. Shocking. Next study: 7,700 managers discover that seeing someone in a chair is not actually a productivity metric.
Yeah it’s interesting to think about. I’ve been 100% remote for more than SIX YEARS now. Since the first days of COVID. And I’m so deep into it that I’m suffering the ill effects of remote: lack of social interaction with coworkers. Feeling shut up at home all the time. Having to work with people in crazy times zones because remote means you work with whoever, wherever. Zoom fatigue. Lack of separation between work and home life. There are definitely downsides. And some of them are pretty serious. The isolation has really eaten at me, especially.
But would I go back to full time? Heck no.
True, similar here. I go to coworking space to eat lunch in the commom area and talk to people.
I’ve been working remotely for over 20 years. One of my subsidiaries is entirely decentralised and remote. I can’t imagine doing anything else now.
I would like to have the option to assemble at an office when we want to, but our company embraced remote so completely that they let a bunch of leases expire and closed whole regional offices. Saved a ton of cash. But it does mean that I never see even my coworkers who are in the same metro area. And that’s a bit of a bummer.
To some extent, work has always been a way to make friends, and that’s also completely off the table now. There just aren’t those spare moments at the water cooler or drinks after work to be the basis of that. I’m older so this is hardly a dealbreaker for me but if I think back to my younger years where I was still building myself and my life, it would be a serious deficiency.
We meet up regularly. The whole team, too. It’s expensive, but priceless.
How often do you do it? What does it look like (Lunch - weeklong visit?)? And who pays for it?
If you don’t mind my asking. I don’t meet many people with 20YOE doing this :)
Copy: »Based on two decades of experience: As a general rule, there should be regular in-person team events (around two a year and just for fun). In addition, there should be joint training sessions (also around two a year). … Cooking together is brilliant: just two days ago we held our summer strategy meeting at a cookery school, where we cooked and enjoyed a three-course meal together. Basically, anything that encourages plenty of interaction and offers a completely different setting to the usual one is ideal.« We (the company) pay everything. It’s a »regular« workday.
Ah so straight up team building days. We dis a lot more of that when we were still in-office, sadly. It fell off during Covid for obvious reasons and after that we were in layoff mode.
Do they pay to fly people out for this twice a year? An activity isn’t necessarily too expensive but the flights & hotel sure can be.
And 7,600 of them discover that aside from micromanaging and degrading the well-being of their employees, they have no other substantive job duties, and their employment is completely pointless.
I became a manager about a year ago. Now that I’m part of the “inner circle”, I can see firsthand what I suspected for the past 20 years.
There are 2 types of managers.
There are cunts bosses who treat their employees as property for their personal gain and advancement. They demand productivity at all costs (see: LLM-cogsuckers), punish for mistakes and pressure people into responsibilities they should take. They are the ones who want RTO to exert control on their employees. They are the ones who “joke” you must take a half-day leave if you need to go before 6PM. They are the ones who openly shit on their employees (or other teams employees FWIW) because they’re not benefiting them enough. They are not part of the team, they feel and act above everyone in it.
The second type, which I strive to be and most of my closest “manager friend” are, are servant-leaders. They want to get shit done by easing roadblocks and making technologically informed decisions. They understand that productivity is a consequence of a functional team and happy employees. They take on responsibility for mistakes and push the team towards finding solutions to prevent them. They understand that LifeTM is more important than work. They are an integral part of the team, they’re not the boss but a full member with a different role and different responsibilities, like a PO or a data analyst.
As a tech lead first and a trained Scrum Master second, I feel much more comfortable in the second role. I help the team internally and report and manage external roadblocks with other teams. It’s what I already know. I hate the hierarchical part of the job.
I had 2 such 2nd type bosses in over 20 years.
You really notice they’re how you described when they’re gone - the deluge of shit begins almost immediately.This guy manages and gets it.
Most of my managers have been the second type, although how effective they are at it has varied a lot. Some are very passive and that has been good and bad, being left alone is great when things are going well. But when you need help they are useless.
The best have been the ones that know a decent amount about the job, they can either help you directly or know exactly where to point you for it. That or they understand the pain and you can both cry together for 4 days with a SQL database and increasingly vague error messages.
Keep at the good stuff, managers with a functional brain are rare. Best of luck keeping sane with all the dumb politicking and other “inner circle” BS.
I fucking hate politics so much…
There’s a guy in my team. I need to push him into a more advanced role. Because he deserves it, and because otherwise I might lose him. I brought him in from another team where things were going bad. Real bad. Turns out, all he needed was a human working with another human, not an type 1 cunt demanding output from a walking, breathing toolset. He already fits and fills that role within the team, but I need to make it official. Better pay, more perspectives. I know I’m gonna get cockblocked by the fuckers who still hate him for the wrong reasons. Career reviews are at the end of the year and I already dread it. I need to get involved in politics and I’m terrified of it.
Politics is a nice word made up to make convincing (or manipulating) others to take up your perspective sound nicer. A silver tongue is a hard earned but quickly lost skill. It sucks but this is now part of your job. Hope you started with or put some points into charisma.
A note, they demand their own SUBJECTIVE PERCEPTION of productivity, not objectively measured productivity itself.
Of course. In this case productivity is a shorthand for obedience. If you do everything I tell you to do, when I tell you to do it and have it done before I need it so I can look good to my managers, then I will deem you productive. Meanwhile, their requirements are completely fucked up and impossible to implement as is, and the deadline is impossible to achieve.
Good job. You’re one of the 100 out of that 7,700 managers who actually do something productive and manage properly.
Obviously, that number of 100 is arbitrary to make a wider point. To be fair, it’s probably a significantly higher percentage than I provided in my hypothetical. But holy shit are there waaaaay too many of the type 1 and far too few of the type 2 that you outlined.
But then who will ask you for a pointless status update during a daily sync up everyday
Performative desk sitting is the worst. Got nothing to do so I have to just click on things.
I’m about to support a satellite launch later this month. Guess what, I have supported the development from my house for the last 5 years. Surprise surprise, butts in seats aren’t necessary.
RTO work often is about control and not about cost or efficiency.
Or encouraging people to quit on their own. It’s a lot cheaper than firing people.
they got tired of RTO, since people dint quit fast enough, htey just did layoffs after layoffs.
Quit my last job over being asked in once a week. It was the commute rather than the office that I really wanted to avoid but it was also an awful open plan hotdesk office for a company of hundreds of people I didn’t know or care about.
New role is office based but I don’t need to drive or take public transport and teams have their own rooms to work in. Much smaller company too, under 30 people. Banter is far better here and that helps quite a bit.
Lack of commute is the only reason I took an in office job again too. I’ve spent like 7 out of 8 years of my career working from home and I really didn’t think I’d ever be convinced to go back but my new job’s office is under 10 minutes away by bike and I get at least one day a week to work from home. It’s officially 4 days a week in office but my manager is really relaxed about that requirement if my work is getting done
Also because commercial landlords demanded it. In Canada the biggest push for it was from Oxford Properties. They even managed to get the Mayor of Toronto, Olivia Chow, who is about as liberal as we’re gonna get up here to push for it. Never voting for that corporate shill again.
