If 90%+ of the web doesn’t work with js off then you’re either predetermining that you just won’t use 90% of the web.
You put the “either” part, but I think you forgot to put the “or” part, which in my case here is that I used to allow javascripts for all sites and access all of the worst most popular ones but have come to realize over years of experience that the javascript-dependent ones are extremely likely to be god-awful experiences (to me). So I don’t tend to bother with them anymore. That doesn’t mean I don’t occasionally get curious and investigate. It’s just that my investigations do not deviate from my expectations. So I continue to conclude the same: that things have not improved (and in fact, they have gotten worse over time).
You’ve decided that ahead of time, so you cannot really say “these sites suck” because you haven’t even been able to use them.
Based on my past experiences and random experiments, yes, I continue to conclude that those types of sites suck. The commonality is the requirement of the user to allow javascripts, which I see as forced self-harm at this point.
But the way you’re presenting it, you don’t have any trouble and just use most sites. Which I happen to know is not possible.
Idk how it seems that I actively use most sites. I would think that’s impossible of any human. I recognize patterns, and the one that’s relevant here is the quality/value (to me) of javascript-dependent sites.
Without javascripts, I get neat and tidy static pages that load super fast. I can have dozens of them loaded in separate tabs on my Librem 5 or Pinephone, which only have 3GB of RAM. It’s nice and comfy.
With javascripts, I get a bad experience involving
ads
trackers
cookie notices
popups & overlays
obnoxious “chat” features
long wait times for everything to load
new elements pushing other elements around as they load
pages which automatically reload/refresh without my consent
useless effects like blur which slow down the pages significantly
“infinite scroll” pages which fuck up my calm navigation of the page
poorly-designed pages which aren’t easy to fix with things like web dev tools or ublock origin
captchas
etc. etc. etc.
There are so many things I hate about these types of sites, and the ones which require javascript tend to have at least a few of these awful “features”. And another major bad experience is the first one: being given a demand in order to access the page, being required to allow javascript, especially the condescending messages that are like “sorry this is required” or “you must allow javascript”. The demands are toxic/hostile and then the javascript elements themselves are an affront. The whole experience is always terrible (to me). I just want to get what I was seeking and leave in a rush to gtfo of there. It’s never pleasant for me.
Hopefully this was more clear and to the point, but if there’s anything else, please let me know and I’ll address it. I am probably the most talkative person on this platform when I actually have people and a topic.
Though, sorry again for another wall of text. It is really easy for me to just keep going and is kinda difficult to hold myself back. And again, I don’t intend for any of this to come across in a negative light. It can be difficult to create a text-based vibe that matches what I’m trying to convey sometimes. Probably doesn’t help that I’m almost always sleep-deprived.
And now I’m struggling to finish this comment, so how about an emoji
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I’m not sure why you’re quoting me there when that is not a direct quote. Other users were insisting that most of the internet “is broken” without javascript, and I simply agreed with them.
From my experience, I’d say that maybe around 50% to 70% of the time, a website I open in a new tab shows the signs of being a broken site, and I usually don’t bother to check further. Sometimes I do check and find that the site is indeed broken, but other times I find that it’s fixable.
But yeah, it feels like at least about half of the sites I randomly try to open in a new tab end up appearing broken. I’m not sure what you’re suggesting is a normal percentage, so idk if that guestimate seems reasonable or unreasonable to you. But I’ve been browsing the web like this for the past several years, so I do have a good bit of experience with this sorta thing, and that’s my honest assessment. It’s very common, but there are still lots of sites which are functional, so the web continues to have things of value to offer to me.
The first string in quotes was you, the second was me. Probably was confusing. In any case you answered my question and I feel less confused. For me, this number would probably be 95% no kidding. 50-70% is surprising but again, before I thought you were implying most sites, maybe even 90% worked fine without JavaScript. Once I consider that you already know many sites that don’t work without JavaScript which you don’t even try anymore, I guess those percentages could make sense.
It’s a wild way to live, gotta say. By turning off JavaScript, you’re essentially turning off most of the Internet. And especially when you are already running it in a super secure container, this is just wild to me.
It’s really just a matter of value. Odds are that I won’t value the sites even if I comply, so I just don’t bother (most of the time). Most of the web will continue to have all of the anti-features which repel me, so I’ll continue with my avoidance. I’ve adapted to the way of things. I’d like to run some services myself one day, to add to the web in a positive way, and to host my own communities. I hope that day arrives.
That’s cool. What do you do when you, for example, go to pay your utility bills or plan a trip, and the sites required don’t work? I’m sorry to keep asking versions of this question, I’m just truly perplexed. When you stack this against even a choice like going vegan, veganism seems easy (and I feel like it’s quite difficult in today’s world).
I interact with websites very often that seem to be the only option to accomplish something I want or need to do. If most websites don’t work, that makes once-easy things hard again. So it is just hard for me to picture. Especially when framed like your post did. I know it’s a joke but surely to post it, and after your other comments, instead of seeing this as a huge obstacle, you seem to see it as a blessing?
What do you do when you, for example, go to pay your utility bills or plan a trip, and the sites required don’t work?
Bills can be set for automatic payment directly through the bank or with checks by postal service.
Plan a trip? lol, I don’t have the ability to do that, for many reasons.
I’m sorry to keep asking versions of this question
You’re fine; I don’t mind.
I know it’s a joke but surely to post it, and after your other comments, instead of seeing this as a huge obstacle, you seem to see it as a blessing?
With regard to browsing the web, yes. Regarding potentially-useful services which disallow me from accessing them due to my disallowing them to run arbitrary scripts on my computer, that’s disappointing, yes.
I’m far stranger than you realize. My stance on javascripts is only one aspect of me that’s abnormal. I’m also transgender and try my best to protect my privacy in lots of different ways. Life has continued to become more and more difficult, and I live in a constant state of dread. I resent the world for doing this to people like me, for deciding that our suffering is not only inconsequential but mandatory. It doesn’t have to be this way, and it shouldn’t have to be this way, and yet it is. The world has decided that privacy is to die, and all like me are to go with it. But for now, I continue to exist.
Sorry for the bleak response. And in a meme thread no less ^^'. I hope I’m at least somewhat entertaining.
You put the “either” part, but I think you forgot to put the “or” part, which in my case here is that I used to allow javascripts for all sites and access all of the worst most popular ones but have come to realize over years of experience that the javascript-dependent ones are extremely likely to be god-awful experiences (to me). So I don’t tend to bother with them anymore. That doesn’t mean I don’t occasionally get curious and investigate. It’s just that my investigations do not deviate from my expectations. So I continue to conclude the same: that things have not improved (and in fact, they have gotten worse over time).
Based on my past experiences and random experiments, yes, I continue to conclude that those types of sites suck. The commonality is the requirement of the user to allow javascripts, which I see as forced self-harm at this point.
Idk how it seems that I actively use most sites. I would think that’s impossible of any human. I recognize patterns, and the one that’s relevant here is the quality/value (to me) of javascript-dependent sites.
Without javascripts, I get neat and tidy static pages that load super fast. I can have dozens of them loaded in separate tabs on my Librem 5 or Pinephone, which only have 3GB of RAM. It’s nice and comfy.
With javascripts, I get a bad experience involving
There are so many things I hate about these types of sites, and the ones which require javascript tend to have at least a few of these awful “features”. And another major bad experience is the first one: being given a demand in order to access the page, being required to allow javascript, especially the condescending messages that are like “sorry this is required” or “you must allow javascript”. The demands are toxic/hostile and then the javascript elements themselves are an affront. The whole experience is always terrible (to me). I just want to get what I was seeking and leave in a rush to gtfo of there. It’s never pleasant for me.
Hopefully this was more clear and to the point, but if there’s anything else, please let me know and I’ll address it. I am probably the most talkative person on this platform when I actually have people and a topic.
Though, sorry again for another wall of text. It is really easy for me to just keep going and is kinda difficult to hold myself back. And again, I don’t intend for any of this to come across in a negative light. It can be difficult to create a text-based vibe that matches what I’m trying to convey sometimes. Probably doesn’t help that I’m almost always sleep-deprived.
And now I’m struggling to finish this comment, so how about an emoji 🩷
What confuses me is that in this case “these types of sites” is “almost the entire Internet”
I’ll be more direct and ask a question. What percentage of the Internet would you say you run into major functionality broken without JavaScript?
I’m not sure why you’re quoting me there when that is not a direct quote. Other users were insisting that most of the internet “is broken” without javascript, and I simply agreed with them.
From my experience, I’d say that maybe around 50% to 70% of the time, a website I open in a new tab shows the signs of being a broken site, and I usually don’t bother to check further. Sometimes I do check and find that the site is indeed broken, but other times I find that it’s fixable.
But yeah, it feels like at least about half of the sites I randomly try to open in a new tab end up appearing broken. I’m not sure what you’re suggesting is a normal percentage, so idk if that guestimate seems reasonable or unreasonable to you. But I’ve been browsing the web like this for the past several years, so I do have a good bit of experience with this sorta thing, and that’s my honest assessment. It’s very common, but there are still lots of sites which are functional, so the web continues to have things of value to offer to me.
The first string in quotes was you, the second was me. Probably was confusing. In any case you answered my question and I feel less confused. For me, this number would probably be 95% no kidding. 50-70% is surprising but again, before I thought you were implying most sites, maybe even 90% worked fine without JavaScript. Once I consider that you already know many sites that don’t work without JavaScript which you don’t even try anymore, I guess those percentages could make sense.
It’s a wild way to live, gotta say. By turning off JavaScript, you’re essentially turning off most of the Internet. And especially when you are already running it in a super secure container, this is just wild to me.
It’s really just a matter of value. Odds are that I won’t value the sites even if I comply, so I just don’t bother (most of the time). Most of the web will continue to have all of the anti-features which repel me, so I’ll continue with my avoidance. I’ve adapted to the way of things. I’d like to run some services myself one day, to add to the web in a positive way, and to host my own communities. I hope that day arrives.
That’s cool. What do you do when you, for example, go to pay your utility bills or plan a trip, and the sites required don’t work? I’m sorry to keep asking versions of this question, I’m just truly perplexed. When you stack this against even a choice like going vegan, veganism seems easy (and I feel like it’s quite difficult in today’s world).
I interact with websites very often that seem to be the only option to accomplish something I want or need to do. If most websites don’t work, that makes once-easy things hard again. So it is just hard for me to picture. Especially when framed like your post did. I know it’s a joke but surely to post it, and after your other comments, instead of seeing this as a huge obstacle, you seem to see it as a blessing?
Bills can be set for automatic payment directly through the bank or with checks by postal service.
Plan a trip? lol, I don’t have the ability to do that, for many reasons.
You’re fine; I don’t mind.
With regard to browsing the web, yes. Regarding potentially-useful services which disallow me from accessing them due to my disallowing them to run arbitrary scripts on my computer, that’s disappointing, yes.
I’m far stranger than you realize. My stance on javascripts is only one aspect of me that’s abnormal. I’m also transgender and try my best to protect my privacy in lots of different ways. Life has continued to become more and more difficult, and I live in a constant state of dread. I resent the world for doing this to people like me, for deciding that our suffering is not only inconsequential but mandatory. It doesn’t have to be this way, and it shouldn’t have to be this way, and yet it is. The world has decided that privacy is to die, and all like me are to go with it. But for now, I continue to exist.
Sorry for the bleak response. And in a meme thread no less ^^'. I hope I’m at least somewhat entertaining.