Wayland. It comes up a lot: “Bug X fixed in the Plasma Wayland session.” “The Plasma Wayland session has now gained support for feature Y.” And it’s in the news quite a bit lately with the announcement that Fedora KDE is proposing to drop the Plasma X11 session for version 40 and only ship the Plasma Wayland session. I’ve read a lot of nervousness and fear about it lately. So today, let’s talk about it!

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    So I guess this means KDE will stop working on Nvidia GPUs with the Nvidia drivers.

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      No it means that a single distro won’t, by default, use X11. You are free to install it yourself if you choose to use that specific distro.

      It doesn’t say anywhere that KDE won’t support X11…

      Also the fact that Nvidia works so badly in so many scenarios on linux is 80% of the fault of Nvidia, not KDE…

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              Because my life doesn’t revolve around what Linus says?

              Is that so hard to understand?

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                  No, I just don’t base my purchasing decisions around whether some other person would like it or not.

                  People like you are the reason why the Linux community is viewed as elitist.

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                    The reason I’m speaking up is that I am sick and tired of people buying nvidia and then bitching that it doesn’t work. Not people who already had nvidia hardware or received it secondhand. People who keep buying nvidia laptops and cards and bitching that it doesn’t work all the time, especially with the transition to Wayland.

                    I stated the reason that this is the case, confirmed by the leader of the kernel, and you’re turning it into “I don’t care what Linus thinks.” It’s not elitism. The fact is that nvidia doesn’t care about Linux as much as Intel and AMD do. That’s just facts. And there’s no hope of this ever changing unless Linux users start boycotting nvidia.

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                Again, you’re not the target of my comments. I’m talking about people who continue to buy nvidia after switching to Linux, and then bitching that it doesn’t work, especially with Wayland.

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              System76 is a Linux-first hardware OEM, but not open source first. Nvidia’s GPUs using proprietary drivers function almost as well as AMD’s open source drivers and have the added functionality with NVENC and Cuda. It really depends on your use case.

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                The problem is that those drivers are awful if you plan to keep your computer for more than a year or two. Most Linux-first OEMs are shipping Nvidia, not just System76. I’ve had two computers I got secondhand with Nvidia GPUs, and that damn GPU was the bane of my existence, and from what I’m seeing, that situation hasn’t changed for the better at all.

                Ideally, I would love to see things change, but it definitely seems like the majority of Linux users and OEMs are still using Nvidia GPUs, so Nvidia has no incentive to change.

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                  If you can avoid buying Nvidia I’m in favor of it. AMD’s all around a more supportive company when it comes to Linux and Open Source. But some people are stuck relying on Nvidia for their hardware.

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            I bought an Nvidia GPU for Blender & CUDA support, and it was cheaper than the similarly performing AMD GPUs I could find at the time.

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        Yep we did read the same post.

        Guys seem to miss that dropping X11 from Fedora KDE 40 is still under proposal.

        So I guess this means KDE will stop working on Nvidia GPUs with the Nvidia drivers.

        @DavidGA if you read the blog, then this proposal is for Fedora 40 [KDE spin only].

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      Wayland works fine on Nvidia. And as long as NVidia is coddled with Xorg the longer they’ll not bother with Wayland. About time they got their act together