with Linux, you invest your time once. with apple, android and M$ you invest your time, and your money after every patch and change.
every new subscription fee, every added bug that’s actually a “feature”, every forced “upsell” for a “feature” they once offered but removed to put it behind a paywall, shove AI into it and host it from a “cloud” server 2000km away.
I think people interpreted my comment differently than I expected. Most people are Linux users because they like tinkering with their computer. That takes time. Getting all your devices/accessories/accounts working on Linux that used to work on other OSes takes time because they probably don’t have 1st party support. Otherwise you can use Android or Apple or whatever and just take what you get with less tinkering.
I’ve been using the same pro Windows license that I got for free in college and have never paid Microsoft a dime. I don’t know of any forced subscription fees. Paying for more cloud storage, etc. is a shitty practice but certainly not unique to MS.
I am using my VR headset playing half-life alyx, while using my premium Logitech mouse, Elgato stream deck and streaming to YouTube.
nothing has any issues. all of my messaging services have apps and just work “out of the box”. setup took me maybe 20 minutes. most of it was just going to my phone for 2fa.
only time this is ever a issue is obscure, windows only applications that use special hardware authentication like some old CAD software. or some silly editing software like Adobe cloud who intentionally block Linux. (also older adobe software is better anyways and works. Linux alternatives exist and work equally as good.)
I remember how it was 5 & 10 years ago. struggling at each step. but it’s not the case today. on the rare occasion I need to spend time diagnosing something, it’s usually because the company behind it did something disgusting, that makes me want to stop using their services anyways.
it’s rarely ever hardware or software that doesn’t use online services.
Just two years ago I switched back from popos to Windows for HDR (no mainline support at the time), Logitech gaming mouse/keyboard support (basic m/k functionality worked but the programmable keys were spotty), motherboard temperature monitoring SW (motherboard too new to get reliable values), and occasional instability or weird rendering in gaming (Nvidia).
Linux works great for some scenarios. Development in Linux is great. But it depends on your use cases.
one of the things I’ve been happy about in the last 24mo, is the HDR and NVIDIA support. until last year I was still using my old 2070 (non super) as I was waiting to upgrade.
that became more and more rock solid on the open NVIDIA driver.
when KDE put HDR into stable and then proton got HDR. now Firefox and Chrome. I’ve been in bliss. I don’t even get this good of HDR support on windows and I still have that on a secure NVME for work lol
there is 2 apps for modifying Logitech kbd controls. I don’t use either, but I would take a look at some wikis if you try again. personally I just avoid logi for anything but mice and webcams. also avoid Razr for anything, backdoors in their drivers are just plain stupid.
motherboard sensors I can get, I have a issue with mine with lmsensors, I’m a longtime Linux user so I can navigate to fix that with some dkms kernel modules… but I totally get how and why this would be a issue and full blame lmsensors for being too bloody slow mainlining sensors… license shenanigans are a pain.
The difference with Linux is that instead of investing money into your ecosystem, you invest your time. What is worth more to you?
with Linux, you invest your time once. with apple, android and M$ you invest your time, and your money after every patch and change.
every new subscription fee, every added bug that’s actually a “feature”, every forced “upsell” for a “feature” they once offered but removed to put it behind a paywall, shove AI into it and host it from a “cloud” server 2000km away.
I think people interpreted my comment differently than I expected. Most people are Linux users because they like tinkering with their computer. That takes time. Getting all your devices/accessories/accounts working on Linux that used to work on other OSes takes time because they probably don’t have 1st party support. Otherwise you can use Android or Apple or whatever and just take what you get with less tinkering.
I’ve been using the same pro Windows license that I got for free in college and have never paid Microsoft a dime. I don’t know of any forced subscription fees. Paying for more cloud storage, etc. is a shitty practice but certainly not unique to MS.
what year do you think it is?
I am using my VR headset playing half-life alyx, while using my premium Logitech mouse, Elgato stream deck and streaming to YouTube.
nothing has any issues. all of my messaging services have apps and just work “out of the box”. setup took me maybe 20 minutes. most of it was just going to my phone for 2fa.
only time this is ever a issue is obscure, windows only applications that use special hardware authentication like some old CAD software. or some silly editing software like Adobe cloud who intentionally block Linux. (also older adobe software is better anyways and works. Linux alternatives exist and work equally as good.)
I remember how it was 5 & 10 years ago. struggling at each step. but it’s not the case today. on the rare occasion I need to spend time diagnosing something, it’s usually because the company behind it did something disgusting, that makes me want to stop using their services anyways.
it’s rarely ever hardware or software that doesn’t use online services.
Just two years ago I switched back from popos to Windows for HDR (no mainline support at the time), Logitech gaming mouse/keyboard support (basic m/k functionality worked but the programmable keys were spotty), motherboard temperature monitoring SW (motherboard too new to get reliable values), and occasional instability or weird rendering in gaming (Nvidia).
Linux works great for some scenarios. Development in Linux is great. But it depends on your use cases.
one of the things I’ve been happy about in the last 24mo, is the HDR and NVIDIA support. until last year I was still using my old 2070 (non super) as I was waiting to upgrade.
that became more and more rock solid on the open NVIDIA driver.
when KDE put HDR into stable and then proton got HDR. now Firefox and Chrome. I’ve been in bliss. I don’t even get this good of HDR support on windows and I still have that on a secure NVME for work lol
there is 2 apps for modifying Logitech kbd controls. I don’t use either, but I would take a look at some wikis if you try again. personally I just avoid logi for anything but mice and webcams. also avoid Razr for anything, backdoors in their drivers are just plain stupid.
motherboard sensors I can get, I have a issue with mine with lmsensors, I’m a longtime Linux user so I can navigate to fix that with some dkms kernel modules… but I totally get how and why this would be a issue and full blame lmsensors for being too bloody slow mainlining sensors… license shenanigans are a pain.
Oh I use Linux on my computer, phone is a different story.