• Allero@lemmy.today
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    1 year ago

    So, basically it’s enough to say “Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians” here and it gains you massive support.

    Seriously?

    First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

    Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

    Saying “Fuck Russians” is about the same as “Fuck Jews” because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

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      1 year ago

      It’s just people can’t do anything to stop Russia or at least help Ukraine. Although the latter is possible, but it’d require some effort. Writing and upvoting “fuck Russia” on social media is easy and that makes them feel better.

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      1 year ago

      Russia has said they are going to do asymetrical warfare with the west. So why should we not prepare for what they claim they will do? Russians arent owed anything by us. Not a seat at the table, not a chance to contribute to open source software, not to be listened to. Not rights beyond their borders. It doesnt matter if they are nice. Its not our job and not realistic to expend time and resources to take each individual russian’s personal measure and apply sanctions onesey twosey on the bad ones. If they dont like it they should take it up with their motherland and get it sorted. I think we should immediately shut down all visas of any kind with Russia. The fact that the US is still allowing them to vacation here is absurd.

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        1 year ago

        No one’s owed anything, but it’s in the collective interest to unite - without borders.

        Russia is growing reliant on Linux, and it is heavily unlikely they’ll poison their own waters. Now Russian state and companies will just fork it for their needs, leaving mainline kernel worse off.

        Russians are a diverse set of people, many of whom (especially relatively young IT crowd) are super not cool with what Russia is doing and have 0 intention to do anything murky in its interest.

        And I’m growing tired of people imagining Russians can just come out on the street and end this for good, but somehow don’t want to or something. Any coordination of people is broken and de facto outlawed. Protesters are jailed within about a minute of protesting. People are scared for their families.

        All this also ignores the fact that other world forces can have every intention to backdoor and hurt Linux as well, yet Russia in particular is the scapegoat. Linus just made sure Linux is now part of the proclaimed “West”, even though it was never attacked or forced to pick any sides whatsoever, and even Russia the state held absolutely nothing against it.

        As per visas - not only would US lose out on a lot of talented folks that could benefit it (and not Russia, mind you!), it’s also too big of a political center. There was an occasion when the US didn’t want to allow in Russian diplomats that were heading for the United Nations HQ. Is that alright in your eyes?

    • 7dev7random7@suppo.fi
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      1 year ago

      Our countries welcome Ukrainian refugees.

      I am friends with Russians in my country.

      Russiana living here sneak benefits by saying they are Ukrainians.

      The majority of Russians living here voted for Putin polls have shown.

      Some Russians denounce our media and only watch Russian state TV.

      So if they can’t adapt after beeing here for decades I tend to believe that the Russian common sense differs immensly from ours. And therefore I agree with this propaganda: Fuck Russia.

      They talk about eachother on the highest level but Russian citizens - here or in Russia - do not form loud critique. If my Brother was jailed for critique I would apread the word in my circles who would spread the word… WE IN THE WEST WOULD MAKE US HEARD.

      Russians benefiting from the lower prices just agree with their government and apparently do not care about their country killing innocent people.

      So fuck Russians as well.

      • Obviously not every Russian is stupid or bad. But if they want to get out of their war, they have to speak up. This is exactly what they demand from other countries with inner conflicts.
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      1 year ago

      I think it’s pretty reasonable and okay for Palestinians to yell “Fuck Jews” IMHO

      I wouldn’t want them to go genociding back, but breaking ties in collaboration would be very fair and reasonable