ITT: people upset claiming Torvalds is political getting all political on a post about kernel improvements.
I’m OOTL. Why are people upset with Torvalds?
He followed legal advice from lawyers and removed some russians from being kernel maintainers to comply with sanctions.
He went beyond that. “As a Finn, do you really expect me to up in arms to support the Russians…”
Bravo, slow-clap.
I mean, do you? This is a violation by Russia of another sovereign state. Thus, everyone in Russia is affected by the consequences of that action.
The Russian kernel coders, no matter their innocence, are subjects of a nation that can compel them to misbehave.
Now, if they were leaving Russia and defecting, that’s another matter, where they are pulling their individual sovereignty away from the Russian state.
I have no problems with the action, and I have no problems with his attitude.
The effort to isolate Russia is an acceptable result of the Russian violent invasion. Russian citizens are not to blame for their nation’s behaviour, but they do share responsibility.
Removing contributes from the maintainers list is not an extreme action, but it is important as a statement.
As for not feeling the need to defend the Russian citizens, it is nearly righteous for people from nation’s that have been bullied by their neighbours.
All fair.
Sanctions like this don’t work to affect change, it’s cruelty for the sake of cruelty with no other plausible purpose. Citizens have practically no control of their government in any nuclear state, blaming them and punishing them for something wholly unrelated to them based on their country of origin or residence is literally in the definition of hate speech, and literally is a fascist activity.
It’s like being mean to customer service people of a bad company. it does effect the bottom line, because of high turnover as a result of a toxic workplace, but it mostly hurts the lowest paid people. Unfortunately, it’s one of few available levers when MAD is a factor.
Well said.
Just to circle back to this now that I’m more sober,
It’s like being mean to customer service people of a bad company.
If you do this you should unironically be put in jail and stopped from having any form of communication device for the rest of your life. I can’t overstate how fucking pathetic and psychopathic this thought is.
People are more mad about how he did it rather than just the action he took. If he just explained why without being a prick nobody would care.
“Without being a prick” Dawg being a prick is his primary way of communication, power to him
We have to face is Linus might be good intentionned but his years on the internet have made him an remorseless abrasive juvenile dickhead. I wish he’d lampshade it because most of the tine he comes off as just a nasty arogant goblin. It’s clear he feels permitted for his accomplishment and hard work to take his frustrations on others and it’s clear he knows it’s really not fucking helping but it seems he simply can’t help himself. Like being nice is a sign of weakness.
There will always be something to pick at, and with the number of trolls on here to inflame and manipulate any legitimate concerns, i highly suspect the troll farms and related pawns would find something to bitch about.
The fact is, not everyone has the EQ to state the issue perfectly clearly in terms everyone can accept.
“No, do you really expect me to look past what Russia is doing? Absolutely fucking no,” is basically reasonable.
So you’re fine with other oss projects kicking out Americans for their multiple genocides, right?
Absolutely.
LKML and patch: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=0fc810ae3ae110f9e2fcccce80fc8c8d62f97907
He cites his work as being a variant of a patch submitted by another developer, Josh Poimboeuf. It’s a team effort folks :)
Yeah, one man did hours of profiling and the other made the patch more elegant lol
Kind of like the butcher who got his hands dirty cutting a steak and then a Michelin star chef cooking it for you.
One got his hands bloody. The other made it delectable for you to eat.
Which is more important to the process?
Nobody ever gives the cow any credit…
Damn, those are not rookie numbers!
Someone just removed many lifetimes of CO2 emissions with a couple of lines of code.
Shame that usage will just expand to fill the gap. Thanks late stage capitalism. Degrowth.
Wasn’t expecting this under a random unrelated post. A very welcome comment nonetheless.
Never forget that the exponential boom of renewable energy tech the last 20 years has entirely served as additional energy, not as replacement of fossil fuels.
Source?
In the EU at least this is demonstrably false. LNG has slightly risen since 2000 but other fossil fuels (namely coal) have gone way down. Total consumption has been steadily declining in the past few years and is down to 2004 levels. So overall our electricity is a whole shitload cleaner.
The story is even starker for domestic heating. Gas and coal are vanishing since the mid-2000s.
Why would you assume I am talking about Europe which accounts for 1/10 of the global energy consumption and why would I be talking the continent that has mostly outsourced its heavy industry to third world countries? Why would you assume this?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-primary-energy?time=2000..latest
Here’s your source. Here’s your total energy consumption. It couldn’t have been that hard to look at our world in data right? How can you be so absolutely wrong about data in plain sight while being confident about it? Do you have an agenda?
Unexpected but entirely welcome.
People do forget this all too often.
Cheaper stuff, use more , value less.
I misread you as saying “Thanks late stage filesystem.” 🤣
Still not saying it’s any good after he became geopolitical.
Literally required to do it by law of sanctions
I already explained my point about it. A lot of companies rebased themselves when political issues occured. The Linux Foundation could easily do that. It’s just racism.
Sanctions against a country/nation that is attacking another sovereign nation are not “racist”. Russia could easily stop their war to start getting rid of the sanctions.
Lol sanctions and racism are different. My argument about relocating destroys yours.
So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where? Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.
Why would they relocate? To keep a few Russian maintainers? Because not relocating is “racist”? Not sure what you mean, just trying to guess.
So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where?
Somewhere stable and neutral like Switzerland or some island. I’m not a lawyer so can’t say which country is the best for it.
Because not relocating is “racist”?
To some extent, yes.
“Russian” is not a race. And Finland has a history with Russia that isn’t easily forgotten. That is to say, every Finn I’ve spoken to hates Russia for invading Finland… Twice…
Finland isn’t even the only neighbour that hates Russia. At some point one has to wonder why so many of Russia’s neighbours hate, or at the very least don’t feel comfortable with, Russia.
Maybe, just maybe, the reason why everyone is having issues with Russia is Russia’s own damn fault.
It depends, though. There are western and other countries invading and much worse, but there are no sanctions. It could be racism, interests or both that only a certain country is targeted with sanctions.
There should be sanctions on every country invading. Its not rocket science. It’s crazy to say that russia is being sanctioned for racist reasons. They are literally attacking an European nation. Makes sense that other European countries sanction them, no?
Yes, there should be sanctions against any country doing that and worse. But there aren’t. Why not? I see a lot of downvotes and no explanations. As per Europe, aren’t we talking mostly about US, since Linux is trying to follow their sanctions? Also even Europe is divided about who the enemy is, like pesky Hungary.
One country cozying up to Putin is hardly a reason to call the entire EU divided
Neither Russian nor Western are a race.
You’re right. Racism here should be replaced with hate against a nation.
Counter argument: The maintainers could “easily” relocate to a country that is not currently conducting an invasion to enlarge its territory.
As I understand it was employer-based ban, not country-based.
Usually uprooting your life and moving to another country implies a job change. At least that’s how I read the comment.
He is a finn, what do you expect from him? I fully support his position
He is a finn, what do you expect from him?
Continued use of the swastika in his military and a stubborn refusal to acknowledge how many Soviets the Finns starved to death in Leningrad while working with the Third Reich, presumably.
Posting a new comment after I looked up the Finnish Air Force, which I’m assuming this is vaguely referencing. It isn’t a Nazi swastika. It is a traditional swastika that has been in use in their culture for a long time. The nazi’s chose the symbol because it’s present in many cultures and they wanted to take it to give them legitimacy. There’s is rotated 45° though. The Finnish Air Force had been using it since 1918, before the Nazis. To imply a negative connection implies it’s a Nazi symbol, which it wasn’t. You’re being purposefully misleading (which isn’t unexpected sadly, and you’ve probably heard this from someone else misleading you), but you aren’t accurate.
There are plenty of people with swastikas fighting for Russia too. For example Dmitry Valerievich Utkin (Дмитрий Валерьевич Уткин).
Playing the “but they have Nazi supporters in their military” game can be played all day. It’s silly. Every military probably does. It turns out assholes love killing people and Nazis. They’ll probably join the military to get permission to kill people.
I think the comment was about the Finnish Air Force not dropping a literal swastika from their coat of arms until just a few years back. Like you know, the official government sanctioned Air Force, the whole thing and not just a single batallion
Ah, yeah. OK. That isn’t a nazi reference. Nazis chose the swastika because it’s present in many cultures. A key thing is there’s is rotated 45°. If you notice, the one the Finnish Air Force had is the tradition rotation. It’d been in use since 1918, before the Nazis started most of their shit. It had nothing to do with them, and was a prominent symbol in their culture. Calling it a Nazi symbol is a lie, and it’s probably on purpose to be misleading.
Edit: They didn’t say it was a nazi symbol, just a swastika. It was implied to be bad though, which implies it was a Nazi reference.
Well, when you put it like that, I expect him to join the Israeli death squads “out of pragmatism”
